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Test 4-Section 3SECTION 3
[01:06.83STEPHANIE: Hello, Trevor.
[01:07.85TREVOR: Hello, Stephanie.
[01:09.03You said you wanted to talk about the course I'm taking on literature for children.
[01:13.31STEPHANIE: That's right.
[01:14.51I'm thinking of doing it next year, but I'd like to find out more about it first.
[01:19.40TREVOR: OK, well, as you probably know, it's a one-year course.
[01:23.30It's divided into six modules, and you have to take all of them.
[01:27.28One of the most interesting ones, for me, at least, was about the purpose of children's literature.
[01:33.20STEPHANIE: You mean, whether it should just entertain children or should be educational as well.
[01:39.24TREVOR: Right, and whether the teaching should be factual - giving them information about the world - or ethical, teaching them values.
[01:47.27What's fascinating is that the writer isn't necessarily conscious of the message they're conveying.
[01:53.51For instance, a story might show a child who has a problem as a result of not doing what an adult has told them to do, implying that children should always obey adults.
[02:04.00STEPHANIE: I see what you mean.
[02:05.96TREVOR: That module made me realise how important stories are - they can have a significant effect on children as they grow up.
[02:13.99Actually, it inspired me to have a go at it myself, just for my own interest.
[02:19.18I know I can't compete with the really popular stories, like the Harry Potter books - they're very good, and even young kids like my seven-year-old niece love reading them.
[02:29.33STEPHANIE: Mm.
[02:30.50I'm very interested in illustrations in stories.
[02:34.51Is that covered in the course?
[02:36.33TREVOR: Yes, there's a module on pictures, and how they're sometimes central to the story.
[02:42.07STEPHANIE: That's good.
[02:43.32I remember some frightening ones I saw as a child and I can still see them vividly in my mind, years later!
[02:51.22Pictures can be so powerful, just as powerful as words.
[02:56.47I've always enjoyed drawing, so that the field I want to go into when I finished the course.
[03:02.54I bet that module will be really helpful.
[03:05.36TREVOR: I'm sure it will.
[03:06.60We also studied comics in that module, but I'm not convinced of their value, not compared with books.
[03:13.50One of the great things about words is that you use your imagination, but with a comic you don't have to.
[03:20.90STEPHANIE: But children are so used to visual input - on TV, video games, and so on.
[03:27.29There are plenty of kids who wouldn't even try to read a book, so I think comics can serve a really useful purpose.
[03:35.64TREVOR: You mean, it's better to read a comic than not to read at all?
[03:39.92Yes, I suppose you're right.
[03:42.03I just think it's sad when children don't read books.
[03:45.55STEPHANIE: What about books for girls and books for boys?
[03:49.62Does the course go into that?
[03:51.59TREVOR: Yes, there's a module on it.
[03:53.51For years, lots of stories, in English, at least, assumed that boys went out and did adventurous things and girls stayed at home and played with dolls.
[04:04.08I was amazed how many books were targeted at just one sex or the other.
[04:09.41Of course this reflects society as it is when the books are written.
[04:13.97STEPHANIE: That's true.
[04:15.39So it sounds as though you think it's a good course.
[04:18.38TREVOR: Definitely.
[05:02.24TREVOR: Have you been reading lots of children's stories, to help you decide whether to take the course?
[05:06.70STEPHANIE: Yeah.
[05:07.59I've gone as far back as the late seventeenth century, though I know there were earlier children's stories.
[05:14.68TREVOR: So does that mean you've read Perrault' s fairy tales?
[05:17.54Cinderella, The Sleeping Beauty, and so on.
[05:19.64STEPHANIE: Yes.
[05:20.57They must be important, because no stories of that type had been written before, these were the first.
[05:27.80Then there's The Swiss Family Robinson.
[05:30.40TREVOR: I haven't read that.
[05:31.60STEPHANIE: The English name makes it sound as though Robinson is the family's surname, but a more accurate translation would be The Swiss Robinsons, because it's about a Swiss family who are shipwrecked, like Robinson Crusoe in the novel of a century earlier.
[05:48.85TREVOR: Well I never knew that!
[05:50.59STEPHANIE: Have you read Hoffmann's The Nutcracker and the Mouse King?
[05:54.06TREVOR: Wasn't that the basis for Tchaikovsky's ballet The Nutcracker?
[05:57.62STEPHANIE: That's right.
[05:58.61It has some quite bizarre elements.
[06:02.42TREVOR: I hope you've read Oscar Wilde's The Happy Prince.
[06:05.75It's probably my favourite children's story of all time.
[06:09.23STEPHANIE: Mine too!
[06:11.20And it's so surprising, because Wilde is best known for his plays, and most of them are very witty, but The Happy Prince is really moving.
[06:22.15I struggled with Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings - three long books, and I gave up after one.
[06:29.71TREVOR: It's extremely popular, though.
[06:31.68STEPHANIE: Yeah, but whereas something like The Happy Prince just carried me along with it.
[06:36.81The Lord of the Rings took more effort than I was prepared to give it.
[06:40.60TREVOR: I didn't find that - I love it.
[06:44.13STEPHANIE: Another one I've read is War Horse.
[06:46.43TREVOR: Oh yes.
[06:47.13It's about the First World War, isn't it?
[06:49.89Hardly what you'd expect for a children's story.
[06:52.98STEPHANIE: Exactly, but it's been very successful.
[06:56.17Have you read any ...
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